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 Author: Bruce
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:22 pm 
This is a continuation of the discussion of impeachment on the topic "They both do it.." which is part of Richard Earnheart's column "View from Starlight Way". I'm not sure why people are complaining about that thread being long. The forum used to have many long threads about political issues. Recently most threads have been about trivia. I don't see any problem with continuing the discussion. But since Richard started it and wants it to end, here's a new thread for those who want to continue discussing impeachment. If you want to discuss Al Milligan's credibility or any of the other topics that came up in passing in that thread, start your own topic.

Samarpan: I read Robert Reich's article about 4 (And maybe 5) Grounds to Impeach Trump (http://robertreich.org/post/159255024465). Although I respect Reich's opinion on economic issues, he's about the last person I would consult on impeachment. A better and more objective source would be Impeachment: A Citizen’s Guide by Cass Sunstein. But any source would be incomplete without evaluation of politics, which do not favor impeachment.

Reich's four issues are mostly unprovable or bogus. For example, Trump has a first amendment right to criticize the press, as we all do. I frequently criticize the press including the Daily Press, the New York Times, and this forum. Is that illegal or impeachable? Of course not. Trying to shut down the press would be impeachable, but not criticizing it. Reich's fifth issue--treason--is the real cause for impeachment. And that's what Mueller is investigating. Until he finds and reveals evidence that Trump himself (not his henchmen) cooperated with Russia to undermine our elections, it's not worth discussing.

Also, I can't think of many people (other than Trump) who would be a worse president for the United States than Nancy Pelosi. She might even be a worse candidate than Hillary Clinton. Like Trump, she is very old and totally partisan. She would be despised by conservatives in the way that Trump is despised by liberals. She would create gridlock in the other direction. If there is a Democratic landslide in the midterm elections, I would hope the new representatives would push for a new minority leader.

We need less partisanship, not more. We need new ideas, not more of the same.

Bruce


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:11 pm 
I think it is still early for talk of impeachment. Need to wait a while. The Mueller investigation will be a key component. As recently, as last month the general consensus among mainstream republicans was that if Mueller is fired, then impeachment proceedings would begin. All seem to have backed away from that prediction and the aggressive smear attack against Mueller and his team may well be laying the groundwork his dismissal. At the very least, the smear campaign, will likely taint the jury pool making jury nullification a real possibility when those close to the president face trial.


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 Author: samarpan
PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:24 pm 
Are we talking about the same thing when we use the word "impeachment"?

My understanding is that impeachment is NOT removal from office. Impeachment is just 51% of the House of Representatives deciding to send a message to the Senate saying "Hey, we think, for the good of the Nation, there should be an investigation." Then, if sufficient grounds are discovered, and if 2/3 of the Senate is in agreement... then and only then should there be a removal from office.

My understanding is that impeachment by 51% of the House does NOT require proving that a specific crime has been committed. Removal from office, by 2/3 of the Senate, does require a finding to justify removal.

Is my understanding is correct? If so, I will proceed to show why I think sufficient evidence exists of malfeasance and treason by 45... which is endangering national security... and which warrants articles of impeachment be sent to the Senate.


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 Author: upcountry
PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:31 pm 
"Impeachment" has been thrown around rather casually. The only 2 presidents to have been successfully impeached in the US (to my knowledge) were Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. Neither went any further because an "extraordinary burden off proof" is required. Very few politicians are willing to take that step as well. There have been movements to impeach several others--Nixon bailed out before it could happen, they went after LBJ, and Obama was a target for discussion in congress.
It's a complicated and serious business that most, including myself, aren't really familiar with.

Reich is a less than objective source, having drunk gallons of the ideological Kool Aide over the years.

This is why Special Council and due process are so important.


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:02 am 
Apparently, to experts on dictatorships and corruption in government, there is growing consensus that T is clearly running our country as a kleptocracy largely to enrich himself and his offspring. The constitution does not discus kleptocracy but seems like the emoluments clause covers this. T is in clear violation of the constitution. That must rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors. I believe there is ongoing litigation filed by CREW and DC business owners. Perhaps Mueller is not the key?


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 Author: crow
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:43 am 
I'm not sure samarpan had his/her question about impeachment answered so here goes. You can substitute the "indicted" for impeachment. The House Judiciary Committee can appoint a Special Prosecutor (Mueller) to investigate and when or if he comes up with enough evidence the House Judiciary Committee can ask the full House to consider a vote to indict (Impeach). If the full house votes to impeach the charges go to the Senate where there is a trial with the Senators as jury and a group of House Representatives are prosecutors. If the Senate votes "Guilty" as charged the person on trial is removed from office.

A House member, Senator, vice Prez, Prez or Judge can be impeached and stand trial before the Senate. Clinton was impeached by the House but won his case at trial before the Senate.

The case of Nixon, I remember it well, was particularly interesting. Even before Nixon fired the Special Prosecutor Cox, his vice president, Agnew, had resigned for tax evasion issues so the House and Senate were looking for someone to appoint as VP and decided on Gerald Ford. Between the time that the House Judiciary voted to ask the full House to indict (impeach) and the full house voting Nixon resigned and Ford became the president just months after being appointed as VP.


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:06 pm 
That sounds right to me Crow. I don't about the very high standard of proof that was mentioned earilier. I think the evidence against Clinton of lying under oath was very strong if not impeccable. In that case I think Clinton was not convicted by the senate as a form of jury nullification. Not certain but that is how I remember that case.


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 Author: crow
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:07 pm 
Remember it is all about "how you define what is is". I forgot the Judge in the above rap, House members are prosecutors, the Senate is Jury and the Judge is the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court.


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:27 pm 
Correct. My thought is that the house in the Clinton case the house acted as overzealous prosecutors in essentially overcharging Clinton for what amounted to undeniable pergury, unless you bought into the that depends what is means defense, as a high crime and misdemeanor. I personally never believed he was actually having sex with ms Lewinski at the time he said he was not, in actual time, having sex with her. She was not hiding beneath the table at the grand jury. I did believe that such things had occurred and perhaps were ongoing. Seems like a clear case of pergury. Acting as jury, I think the senate could not deny the facts regarding the pergury, but did not convict because the entire excercise was ridiculous. Long time ago and mind is failing...


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 Author: Bruce
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:55 pm 
The reason Clinton was not convicted is that the Senate judged that he had not committed High Crimes and Misdemeanors. There was no doubt that he had lied about sex. But having sex with a willing partner (even in what many would consider an obnoxious situation) and lying about it is not the type of crime the constitution is talking about. Neither is being extremely partisan and unwise, which is the reason President Andrew Johnson and Supreme Court Justice Samuel Chase were not convicted in their impeachment trials. The term "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" has a long legal history, but it still vague and open to interpretation. But generally you can't be impeached and convicted for being a jerk, a partisan, or a fool. You have to be undermining the government of the United States, and not in a vague sense of making bad choices but in a very specific sense of being corrupt or traitorous. Trump has walked a thin line, but has so far not provably stepped over it.

I think there should be a procedure for removing a President for being a jerk or a fool, or just because the country changed its mind. I think presidents should be elected by majority vote (with a runoff or preference voting if no one gets a majority) rather than the imbecilic electoral college. I think we should all be working to get those changes in government. But currently all we have is impeachment, and I doubt you could currently get two thirds of Democratic Senators to convict Trump of High Crimes and Misdemeanors, much less two thirds of all Senators.

Bruce


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:44 am 
Totally agree! So far


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:21 pm 
One step closer today. The campaign's claim of ignorance and inexperience in the ways of politics no longer holds any water. They were notified, by the FBI, as was the HRC team, that when the nominations were secured that the Russians would try to infiltrate their campaigns. By that time, there were already 8 or 9 contacts with Russia by T team. None were reported to the FBI. Then at least 5 T peeps met with Russians after being notified. Let's see what happens tomorrow.


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:33 am 
Although conventional thinking seems shakey to me ever since we were all so suprised in 2016, a democratic takeover in at least the house of represensatives looks very possible. When/if that happens impeachment may be likely. At the very least, the house can take the president to court over his emoluments violations. The court dismissed the CREW case citing lack of standing and stating that such a case must come from congress. Perhaps the really obvious elements of the T kleptocracy can be stopped.

The question at this time seems "how low will republican house and senate members will go?". Paul Ryan's response to the Sxxxhole comment was just sad. Cotton and Purdue claim ignorance, which seems a bit suspect. And out man Mitch Mc has been silent. At least Grahm apparently told the man off. Only time will tell.


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:58 pm 
The more I think about it, an effective emoluments law suit filed by the house, if taken by the dems, might be the best way to rid our country and the world of pres Shxthole. If the case is won, and FD is required to liquidate and or stop reaping profits from foreign states, I think he would quit. He does not like the job, apparently. Shutting the flow of cash down might just put him over the edge. This sounds so much more doable than either the 25 amendment or impeachment. And would be difficult to call the process totally political. While there is no precedent for this, it seems that the house has a responsibility to try. We cannot have a president act in violation of the US constitution without some kind of check.


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 Author: Bruce
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:35 pm 
If this worked we would get Pence. Better an incompetent fool than a competent one.

Bruce


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:54 pm 
Perhaps that would happen Bruce. And it might actually be worse. I fear the emergence of an American theocracy. However, I believe that Fat Donnie has set-up Pence, largely through Pence's sincere lies to the American people, so that he can throw Pence to the wolves to take pressure off himself. Would he do this just before his own departure so he could appoint someone from his own gene pool? Don't know but it could be a way to keep the money flowing into the trump Corp. and I think that is the ultimate goal. If we are lucky, I guess, Pence is already caught up in the special counsel's investigation. I believe that Mr Pence was involved on the ground floor in the entire scandal and cover-up. I realize this qualifies as grasping at straws, and the future is wild, but it is an interesting scenario.
How could it help us? Ivanka would be a far better pres than her father seems. She appears to have empathy and compassion and seems smart enough to heed the advice of of experts. Don't know.


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 Author: almilligan
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:23 pm 
Back in the day everyone said Nixon had Spiro Agnew as VP for life insurance because no one would shoot Nixon if they knew they were getting Agnew.

Perhaps Pence is doing the same for Trump.


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:11 pm 
Good point Al. I had forgotten that. And the same was said, I thinking jokingly, about poor Dan Quayle


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 Author: crow
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:08 pm 
With the Nixon impeachment by this stage of the investigation Spiro Agnew had already resigned do to tax issues.
Thelynno22- Trump cannot appoint his nor the VP's successor.


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:21 pm 
Right Crow. Unless he gets rid of Pence. Then, like Nixon he can choose anyone but they need to be confirmed by the senate, I think. Well they whould not confirm Ivanka one would think. However, the senate republicans continue to suprise. I think it could be possible. The big hurdle is getting of old pumpkin face. But unlike the president, he could simply be indicted as Agnew was. Could happen.


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 Author: bdlb
PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:55 am 
Exquisite irony that to mark the anniversary of #45's inauguration the government shuts down.
One perspective is that the Democrats orchestrated a strike. Another is that the Republicans' dream of smaller government is manifest.
Newly-minted Doug Jones voted with Republicans. As did Manchin, McCaskill, Heitkamp and Donnelly. Five Republicans voted with Democrats, including McConnell.
Could the times get any stranger?


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:03 am 
Very strange indeed! Watching the senate floor last night was surreal. At some point, even hard core Trumpistas will grow impatient with this master deal making and they will begin to turn on the president. When that happens, we will see just how loyal these congressional republicans are.


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:54 pm 
Looks like we are very close to constitutional crisis. Be ready to take to the streets if Rosenstien gets fired. I know I am alarmist but our democracy is in real danger.


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 Author: lastnoel
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:15 am 
Came across this article that pretty much sums up what is happening http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/02/me ... paign.html
If you are dumb enough to 'take to the streets' without knowing what is happening, prepare for the consequences . . . those blind to the evil went for HRC, those who knew went for the Trumper. Was there a choice? And therein rests the problem. The right and left wings of the WAR party which feeds the 1% with what is left in your pockets.

Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. -- Thomas Paine


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 Author: rearnheart
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:41 pm 
REPUBLICAN DILEMMA

As a responsible citizen, I have to make a choice about the THE MEMO. Do I believe Robert Mueller III, a Marine who served 2 tours of duty in South Vietnam, awarded 2 medals (one a Purple Heart), a graduate of Princeton University, served as FBI Director for 12 years under 3 different presidents, is a registered Republican, was Deputy Attorney General (serving in 2001), was instrumental in establishing America's first terrorist data base and has scrupulously maintained a bi-partisan investigation into Russia's role in the 2016 elections. Or do I believe Donald J. Trump, a realty TV star with 3 military deferments (and didn't serve because of 'bone spurs'), a business man with 6 bankruptcies, who has had 3,500 lawsuits (169 of them federal), a serial misogynist with 14 assault suits pending, and a daddy who was having an affair with a porn star while his wife was at home with their new baby.

Boy, tough choice. It's like the Republicans did the old prank of pooping in a paper bag, putting it on a porch and setting it on fire. Except this time, it was their own porch.


rearnheart


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 Author: crow
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:39 pm 
First this memo is incomplete as everybody pretty much admits that there remains a number of still classified documents but this was rushed and declassified to present a warped picture. I might even have to call this "fake news" along the order of propaganda. Consider the source, Nunes, a transition team member, trump shill as well as a climate denier, EPA destroyer and all else that comes with being an extreme alt-right neocon. This man would forbid a medical marijuana script to all veterans and supported the Muslim ban.

With incomplete data how can we trust the innuendoes in spite of all the arm-chair pundits tell us it all makes sense... Fake News


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 Author: almilligan
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:48 am 
This memo shows that there is smoke coming out of the top leadership of the FBI and DOJ, let's wait until there is fire before we start making decisions on what's going on.


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:18 am 
And wait for the democratic memo. Another thing the memo seems to show is that the investigation started with George papadoplis, not carter page. Does anyone not think carter page is at least a Russian tool if not an actual spy? For once I agree with the pres. It is a disgrace, what is happening in America.


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 Author: Cko969
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:48 am 
Citizens Untied vs. Federal Election Commission, Sup Court, 2012 gave the power to corporations and their directors/owners, to takeover American politics. What is occurring in this Country presently is a direct result of this Supreme Court ruling. A pro-action against what is occurring is the only way we can win. The Resistor movement is in a constant re-action mode and now concentrates on impeachment. To win anything, a pro-action is necessary. The importance to take a stand, to gather, demonstrate (peacefully), and use our Freedom of Speech cannot be stressed enough. IT IS ESSENTIAL. However, what else is essential is awareness of how we got into what we are facing today. The political system of our government is currently controlled by huge money monger corporations. Payments in the millions are being made (legally per Citizens United vs. FEC), to the political parties and their forum to pass the “agenda” of the money mongers, (Super PACs, The Hedge Fund and Mercers, the Koch brothers’ corporations, on and on). The GOP and each of them, have received millions in contributions to their election campaigns and committees, associations, corporations that fund lobbyist, and now must heed the demands of their contributors to support their "agenda". There is no doubt in my mind that donny’s money monger corporations are heavily involved, and probably legally. That is how as President donny will get away with the Capitalist take over and we become the United Federation of America.

To take pro-active measures a Bill must be introduced and initiated to Amend the Constitution that disallows what the Supreme Court ruling in Citizens United unleashed. At present, corporations have the same right to political say and speech as actual people. Keep in mind corporations do not have to be American corporations. The restrictions on corporate money in politics no longer exists, hence the end result is the corporate takeover of American politics. To return our Country to true Democracy “For the People by the People” the Constitution must be Amended to prohibit “For the Corporation by the Corporation”. Contribute support, time, and money to the fight by entities and groups fighting a pro-active cause to return our Democracy to the people. When an Amendment occurs, the trumps and other money monger corporate control of our government will dissipate into the ethers from whence they came. Take a minute and look up what Citizens United is and who is tied into that movement.

As a side note, the release of the “Memo” is a classic litigation tactic. Attack the credibility of the evidence against you, create that doubt. We have all seen that tactic used. Remember OJ trying on the glove that wouldn’t fit? They created a doubt and he walked. Pay attention, think, and don’t buy into propaganda, even standard litigation tactics. Listen AND READ from ALL sources not just one. Our Country is great because of the Constitution, NOT corporations.


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:14 am 
Sounds like the White House has admitted to another crime. They claim to have donated all proceeds earned at trump properties from foreign entities to the treasury. Leaving aside accounting and disclosure accuracy, they just admitted the pres has taken gifts Or items of value, money, from foreign entities. That is clearly a violation of the emoluments clause of the constitution. Giving some or all to the treasury makes absolutely no difference. The constitution has been violated! A new law suit has been filed regarding this matter. Also, I just learned that connected people believe that the emoluments issue will likely be addressed in the mueller investigation. The Dear Leader must not get away with this!


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 Author: samarpan
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:18 pm 
OPEN LETTER TO STEVE PEARCE

Today, August 21, 2018, Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to crimes and implicated Donald J. Trump as a co-conspirator, a fellow felon. This demeans the Office of the President. As Senator Lindsey Graham said: "Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office."

We now have on the record, in federal court, the president of the United States declared by a confessed felon to be a fellow conspirator, accused in a federal court by a confessed felon to be another felon.

Paying off porn actresses, extramarital affairs, paying off Playboy models, directing criminal activities "for the purpose of influencing the election" ... At what point, Mr. Pearce, do you say enough is enough and raise your voice in opposition to Mr. Trump? Do your values allow you to support this demeaning and criminal behavior conducted from within the Office of the President?


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 Author: almilligan
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:47 am 
You realize that if you were to put Trump out of office you get President Pence, a true believer.


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 Author: Bruce
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:42 am 
While I would like to see the end of Trump, I will play the devil's advocate and say that it is not yet time to talk about impeachment. Here are some reasons:

- The Bill Clinton scandal established the precedent that lying about sex is not an impeachable offense.
- Steve Pearce would probably not vote for impeachment even if Trump publicly shot someone on Fifth Avenue.
- Talk of impeachment arguably hurts Democrats chances in the mid-terms. It fires up Republican extremists who might otherwise be discouraged.
- Even House Democrats are unlikely to vote for impeachment unless they see some path to a two thirds conviction in the Senate. It's hard to see such a path at this point, even if Democrats were to win the Senate in the mid-terms.
- Pence.

Despite the Manafort and Cohen convictions, impeachment is probably not yet ripe. Better to wait for the Mueller evidence, if it ever comes and is convincing.

Bruce


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 Author: mimbresgranny
PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:08 pm 
I would add a couple more reasons to wait on impeachment:
Because he makes a mess of everything he does, we have been successful in most of our law suits to hold the line. Pence would not represent any change in general policy or even a more competent cabinet but would likely listen to his advisers on how to do things.

The world knows who and what he is and that may be all that keeps us out of war... well more, larger, resource grabbing, wars with our allies.

Adding the other points that there is no way the Republicans would vote for it, even if they would allow hearings, talking about an impossibility just takes our time and energy from things we CAN affect as well as from the must win election.

While we surely want to stop him, even if we managed to impeach #45 we would then be working to impeach and jail Pence for the crimes we already know about, but would then face Ryan. Seriously? It doesn't really take that much to realize a mobilized citizenry can be much more effective than spending a 24/7 news cycle on a distraction. Oh... MORE distraction.

Whenever you feel like throwing something at the television/radio, bring that energy to the Dem Campaign Office and help us call and knock on every door in the County. Contact your favoritist candidate to help. Xochitl needs thousands of calls to cover District 2 with her message and modern technology allows us to help reach everywhere. Every single contact we make will help us make a difference.


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 Author: almilligan
PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:32 am 
There's not going to be an impeachment of Trump while the Reps run the house. After the election if the Demos get the house they might try impeachment. That will tie up congress for at least a year and then the Demos won't get a two thirds majority in the Senate even if they were to win every contest up for election this year. But even if the Senate voted to throw Trump out you get Pence. Try the same thing with Pence, there no way Reps in the Senate would vote to put Pence out and a Demo president in. Its all a waste of time.


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 Author: samarpan
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:52 am 
RESOLUTION TO IMPEACH DONALD JOHN TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES [PDF DOCUMENT]
https://impeachdonaldtrumpnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/IDTN-Resolution-for-House-Judiciary-investigation.12-13-2017-.pdf

CONGRESSMAN AL GREEN'S FLOOR SPEECH ON THE IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP [5:26]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Au1cwXN8M


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:17 pm 
Very interesting conversation. Don't know if it is too early for impeachment talk. Clearly T wants to talk about it so the wacko base will be fired up either way. And it is never too early to start framing an issue, esp with one so enamored with propaganda.
This is not just lying about sex like BC Bruce, it is about election fraud at this point. It is smart to wait for action until dems flip the house. Then with investigative control, they can hv real congressional hearings into the conspiracy to defraud America both with regard to Russia and the payoffs scandals. And other committees can look into the never ending corruption and obstruction issues. And Mueller still needs to report.
True that Pence would be scary but at least traditional. I think T will throw him under the bus like an old shoe if things get hot. Distraction value and if his kids hv not been indicted, he might try to make one of them VP. Just guessing


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 Author: Bruce
PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:22 pm 
I don't think there is any way for a President to throw the Vice President under a bus other than to literally thrown the Vice President under a bus. The Vice President is an elected constitutional officer. You can't just fire him like you can the Secretary of State or other cabinet members.

Bruce


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 Author: Thelynno22
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:17 pm 
Correct Bruce, but you assume that T has not involved Pence in any corruption and that Pence was really out of the loop and in the dark when he so obviously lied to the people on more than one occasion.


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 Author: samarpan
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:05 pm 
REPLY FROM STEVE PEARCE

Thank you for contacting me to express your views regarding President Trump. I appreciate hearing from you.
On January 20, 2017, President Donald J. Trump was sworn in as the 45 th President of the United States. Since his inauguration, he and his Administration have come under scrutiny for his executive orders, media relations, and comments. I have not shied away from supporting and opposing actions by the Trump Administration as I did during both the Bush Administration and the Obama Administration.
President Trump has decreased the regulatory burden of the federal government, taken steps to secure the border, proposed an increase for the military, nominated and pushed for the eventual confirmation of Judge Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court, and worked diligently to bring jobs back to the United States. While I agree with the President on these issues, I will continue to hold President Trump to the same ethical standards as I did for President Obama and President Bush. I will not waiver on my beliefs or my commitment to serving the people of New Mexico.
Again, thank you for taking the time to express your concerns. I appreciate having the benefit of your views.

Sincerely,

Steve Pearce
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 Author: mimbresgranny
PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:51 pm 
Does this letter from Pearce even need unpacking? This is an example of his well practiced smooth spin that we see in all his weekly letters. He votes against the Vets Bill and says he is protecting veterans. He has supported every Republican offering and points to his "opposing actions." BTW, he has "missed" many of the controversial votes so he is not on the record for those. And then he says T was supporting the nomination of Gorsuch - a baldfaced 'misstatement.' It is hard not to laugh at statements like "holding [#45] to... ethical standards..." The only truth is that he will not waiver on his beliefs... of more oil drilling, less regulation, fewer public lands, and bringing out of State or International companies here with tax breaks to take our money somewhere else.

I understand why people hate "politics" but I won't even discuss that here. Hate it or not this is the system we have and we must convince everyone to vote now. I heard Michael Moore say that more voted in the Michigan Primary than voted in their Election and that 82,000 Michiganders voted for all the other Democratic candidates but did not mark the Presidential box in '16. We cannot allow this sort of manufactured disconnect take place here.

All the talk about impeachment, though rational, only leads to more dislike of the current system. People are looking for a leader, but this is only the Mid-term and that is ONLY about our LOCAL Elections. Beware the manufactured distractions that is the Trump Circus with him in the center ring. Pearce is one of the performers and doing a really great job of it as he balances on the highwire with only his Millions and lifetime salary as his safety net. The only means we have to defend ourselves is to get every person to vote in order to overwhelm the R faithful. That includes every Independent, Declined to State, and not yet registered resident. After we win, I will start hounding about making the winners accountable, but for now we have only one mission.


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 Author: Bruce
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:42 am 
The key question in the New Mexico governor race is whether progressive Democrats whose candidate did not win in the primary will do what needs to be done. In the primaries many progressive Democrats preferred Jeff Apodaca or Joseph Cervantes over Michelle Lujan Grisham. Grisham won with 66.4% compared to Apodaca with 22.1% and Cervantes with 11.5%. Progressives criticized Grisham as being too mainstream and having made too many compromises. As a successful Democratic representative for six years she has certainly not been as far left as many progressives would like.

Is this the 2016 presidential election all over again? Will Grisham play the role of Hillary Clinton and Steve Pearce play Donald Trump? Do progressives of the left prefer to stay home rather than vote for a candidate they have little enthusiasm for as so many did in 2016? Or have they learned a lesson from the Trump nightmare?

I hope this election will turn out different. For one thing, Grisham is no Clinton. She really is a progressive in many ways, although a canny politician who will compromise when necessary to get most of what she wants. Also, Grisham won fair and square with a healthy majority and no questionable tactics at a convention. She doesn't have the baggage of Clinton. On the other hand, Pearce is no Trump. He is a hard right conservative, but more pleasant and civilized than Trump.

Our election system is imperfect and we should all try to reform it. But for now it is the system we have, and under this system it is sometime necessary to choose the candidate who's good enough. Grisham isn't the perfect progressive candidate, but she is so much better than Pearce that I hope New Mexico on the left will suck it up and vote for her even if they aren't completely enthusiastic.

Bruce


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 Author: JE1947
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:19 pm 
On Impeachment. One thing that has helped me deal with our President is to gather any information I can on "psychological profiles" of Trump. Amazon's got several books, pamphlets including one that purports to be an FBI profile on the man.
No idea why Amazon would publish it if it weren't true.
Another compilation of various articles on this angle of attack is also out there.
In WW II, OSS (predecessor of CIA), created one on Hitler. I may still have it.
Learned it, and likely other profiles created by British Intelligence did help focus attention on use of propaganda, ultimate outcome on Hitler.
Common denominator: Trump is a bona fide psychopathic narcissist. I believe, with sadistic tendencies. Perhaps he is a serial sexual predator.
In reading these books, I find that his behavior, day by day, is amazing ... unprecedented ... but predictable.
Mueller was head of FBI for eight years. My guess is: he consults the best such profile often. AS such, he may also have reams of Russian intelligence coded decrypts that allow him to KNOW so much more than we do.
He also understands that if Dept. Of Justice has such profilers, or he can discuss with FBI, CIA, etc., he knows the behaviors psychopathic narcissists will
present as they collapse.
Michael wolfe's book; Omarossa's; Woodward's, as top notch, have likely confirmed Trump's trajectory in coming days, weeks, months. He is, in fact,
doomed & a marked psychopathic narcissist. He cannot change. EVER.
Sliding polls are coming in from various places that suggest November could be a major disaster for GOP. I sure as hell hope so.
If so, then that's reason to hope. It will not be pretty.
I fear violence from HIS Trumpistas. they do have, per capita, far more guns than most who oppose Trump.
If November follows predictions, the gloves come off Mueller day after. Dems won't take control until 1 Jan 2019. He'll have plenty of time to ensnare us into a war with DPR Korea; Iran; Russia; China. Hope not.
It seems to me that he's collapsing in on himself as a psychopathic narcissist. I'd say,first time for our country.
It stinks. It's nothing to crow about this late in my life.
I hope that anyone out there who believes it can't get worse, doesn't know these personality types.
On the other hand, the use of the 25th Amendment, which allows Vice President & 2/3ds Congress to declare he's unfit ... mentally ...
for the job. I'd guess a "team" inside has begun documenting aberrant behavior to provide THE PANSIES IN CONGRESS who are sycophants & collaborators who like the power.
Whether he'd ever take him out that way, I don't know. It might be easier.
I do know that every simple simon congressional rep, such as the New Mexico Simpleton, Steve (Never had an independent thought in his time in Congress)
Pearce, needs to go, too
. Trump will get worse. Revelations of his bizarre behavior aren't "fake news." Too many sources to contrary. Woodward's book was eighth he's written on Presidents. His documentation will stand. He knew that as he wrote.
If Trump's behavior continues to get weirder territory, it will be hard to say, even to many Trumpistas ... [i]"You really think he's rowing with both oars??
I hope for this. I don't know how far his insiders will go. General Mattis is possibly on way out.
I sure hope not
Dan Coates will have his own backing from current & retired Intelligence Community professionals. However you feel about the Intelligence Community, they know what this man is about. They have their moves as well.
Mueller has much more on Trump & his crazies. My guess is: multiple intelligence agencies (world) are watching every move Putin makes. World peace is on the chopping block
The notion that Trump is, at least, a long time beneficiary of Russian Oligarch/Intelligence Agency/Crime money, isn't hard to buy. He IS a crook.
Sad that our nation has had to go through this at this point in our history
I'll continue to pray that this absolute shxt for brains doesn't get us into a new war.
I served In Korea myself, '65-66 as an infantryman, before Vietnam, as an infantryman, & know that would be horrible.
Iran has it's own ruthless Hezbollah, Quds Brigade, Revolutionary Guards.
China, a serious contender.
Russia, is beginning to break economically, again.
Please: Please; Please: I fought for America in 65-68. It's sad our nation is hauling our considerable weight straight into a massive cess pool. PLEASE, VOTE. In the "old days," a joke many of we hard core Midwestern Catholic Irish Democrats used to say ... tongue only part in cheek ..."vote early & vote often." Too many Republicans believe that, even if no real proof of huge voter fraud, so don't do that.
Gandhi suggested these type of people ...i.e. tyrants, dicators, "will always be there. And, for a time, they will seem to Triumph.
But in the end, they all fail. Take courage, always.
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You believe Trump & Giuliani, or Gandhi.
Eagan


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 Author: almilligan
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:41 pm 
If we're lucky, one of these days we might find out exactly what is true and what's BS. Right now everything is just guesses.


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 Author: bobstockdale
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:51 am 
Beware the Trumpistas. They don’t just have most of the guns and ammo; they have damn near all the guns and ammo. If they're ignorant and delusional enough to follow Trump, they're ignorant and delusional enough to view the ouster of Trump as a coup.
What follows is a piece I've been sending to the more moderate republicans in congress. We'll need to achieve a large enough majority in the next election to overcome the cheat, but even if the democrats take congress, we'll still need republican help to overcome the inevitable vetos.

The ignorance, fear, and gluttonous greed of the radical right has captured the Republican Party by achieving enough voters to control the primary. This presents a serious dilemma for the sane and intelligent portion of the Republican Party. Will they acquiesce to the desire to be reelected and put party over principle, or will they strike out on their own? In the 1930's in Germany, they put party over principle and we ended up in WWII. Watch the archival films of rallies for Adolph Hitler when he's in front of the crowds saying 'Make Germany Great Again' and see the awesome similarities to the crowds at a typical Trump rally. The thousands of people it took to run Hitler's concentration camps weren't all that different than the people running Trump's concentration camps. They were just ordinary ignorant people, easily duped by fear, greed, a pack of lies, and a paycheck.
Disgust with the bureaucratic alzymers of our current government has led the more ignorant and gullible portion of the American public to elect a president who's hell bent on dismantling it. What they don't see is that he's replacing it with a kleptocracy. It's no coincidence that the Russian Mafia has used Trump's real estate to launder several billion dollars of dirty money. It's no coincidence that Trump has used 6 bankruptcies and thousands of lawsuits to scam his way out of paying his debts; destroying a multitude of innocent lives in the process. It's no coincidence that everything he's built with the money he borrowed and never paid back is for the gluttonous rich. It's no coincidence that the floor just below Trump's floor in Trump Tower was used to run a large racketeering operation. It's no coincidence that he surrounds himself with liars and thieves. It's no coincidence that Trump is trying to silence and discredit the free press. It's no coincidence that he admires the grandson of Joseph Stalin's cook and de facto head of the Russian Mafia; a man who systematically and repeatedly bombs hospitals and schools; a man who is solely responsible for most of the desperate refugees flooding into Jordan, Turkey, and Europe, severely disrupting their economies and cultures; a man who's attacking and undermining democracies all around the world; a man who's quite skilled in the art of the lie. We can get along with Vladimir Putin? That's what Hitler said about Stalin.


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